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administrator of the epa. that's our broadcast on a monday evening as we start off a new week here. thank you so very much for being here with us, and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. tonight on "all in" -- >> we keep it in tip top shape. we call it sometimes tippy-top shape. >> the president attacks a company because he doesn't like its owner, and stocks plummet. tonight the endemic corruption in the trump administration, and why it could be his downfall. plus getting roger stone. >> i actually have communicated with assange. >> no, have i not spoken to mr. assange. >> new reporting on exactly what mueller has on trump's long-time adviser. and then thousands of teachers walk off the job in some of the red estates in the union. and trump tv across america. >> the sharing of bias and false news has become all too common on social media.
>> the insidious propaganda on local tv news thanks to sinclair media. >> this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today one of the biggest companies in the country lost more than $36 billion in market value thanks in part to a sustained attack from the president of the united states. amazon.com stock falling more than 5% today after donald trump renewed once again his twitter campaign against the company over the easter weekend. amazon, of course is owned by jeff bezos, who also happens to own "the washington post." amazon itself we should be clear has no stake in the post. that does not seem to matter to trump who either doesn't know or simply doesn't care. to the president, it's all, quote, #amazonwashingtonpost. you see he is just conflating them all together. and trump, well, trump doesn't like "the washington post." it isn't always nice to him. so he is engaging in what certainly appears to be a proxy war designed to make jeff bezos
pay no matter the consequences. "vanity fair's" gabe sherman reports tonight trump is obsessed with bezos. trump has told advisers he believes bezos uses the paperer as a political weapon. sources saying he gets obsessed with something and now he is obsessed with bezos. trump is how can i f with him. it's the kind of impropriety, the kind of extension of roles that modern american presidents didn't engage in until now. but that very lack of boundaries of what is improper, that has become characteristic of the trump presidency. he unleashed his assault on sam don from mar-a-lago where he spent much of the weekend, on the golf course of course. here is a picture of trump's motorcade on the way to mar-a-lago passing beneath a billboard that reads impeachment now. trump doubled it after he won the presidency. but there are perks. you get to mingle with the sitting president of the united states. just like -- and that is a real name, i'm not making this up -- princess bourbon, duchess of
castro who posted this picture of her and her family enjoying quality time with trump at mar-a-lago. for some people mar-a-lago is a good deal. just a few $100,000 and you can personally lobby the president on whatever you want. when it comes down to the de facto bribery palace he likes to call the winter white house. and there is other ways to buy your way into the president's good grace as well. you can hold an event at the trump international hotel a stone's throw from the white house which the president still owns and has become a magnet from foreign officials looking to curry favor. or perhaps buy a place in trump tower manila which featured this video on its website even after trump took office. >> trump tower manila is going to be something special. there won't be anything like it in the philippines. and actually even going beyond the philippines. everything involved is going to be first rate. we really look forward to it. >> it's the fundamentally scammy nature of this presidency, trump's willingness to leverage the highest office in the land to enrich himself his family, his allies.
joining me now, "new york" magazine columnist john chaff. why do you say that, jonathan? >> i think this is the rubric, number one, that encompasses a lot of what is going on in this administration. not only the scandals, but also the policy. the idea of they're trying to get themselves rich, not you. and i think number two, what a lot of people forget is how central that promise really was to the trump candidacy. he said i'm in rich guy. you've seen how rich and famous i am. but i'm going to put all that aside and i'm going to work to get you rich. i'm not going care about getting me rich. so he had these two ideas in opposition, and he knew they were in opposition in people's heads. so they thought he would stop trying to get himself rich and really care about the american
public. but i think it's very toes show that he has continued to get himself rich, as you just demonstrated a few of the points. the people around him have done the same. and you didn't even get into all the petty corruption that this cabinet has been engaging in and their policy agenda has also been about just enriching people like donald trump, including donald trump himself. >> you know, as i was reading your piece, i was reminded of the 2006 mid terms which i covered very closely. >> yeah. >> there was two big issue there's. the iraq war was one of the biggest. but there was the manifest corruption in the republican congress. you had all the scandals. you had the sense of self-dealing. and that really sort of reached a crescendo that year and had an electoral effect. >> yeah, sometimes, chris, i feel like you and i are the only two people who remember the bush administration and ever reference it and talk about it. but the same thing that happened that brought down the republicans has been much, much worse. they didn't clean up their act. they went through this whole tea party phase where they were pretending to clean up their act. but they've really come back greedier than ever and less reformed than ever. and it's a really potent issue.
>> part of the problem is mar-a-lago is a perfect example. i hate this word normalize, but the existence of mar-a-lago itself is a scandal. it should not be the case that private citizens can pay several $100,000 to personally lobby the president. how many times has someone walked up to him and gone you know, mr. president, i have this liquid natural gas facility we're looking to build in maryland. it must be happen all the time. and yet that is background noise. i think there is a real question of how does that, the basic ambient corruption at these sort of background issues become more acute? >> right. the issue is there are so many things going on, it's really hard to focus on any of them. and all these scandals and all these issues tend to knock each other out of the news because every day there is a new development that makes you forget about the old development. it's almost better for trump to have 14 terrible things going on. >> yes. >> than having one terrible thing going on. but the mar-a-lago is of a piece of this general corruption, as you say, that is literally going
on an ongoing basis all over the world, not only just in the united states. >> why do you think this is more resonant, though? you're sure making a political argument in the piece, where this hits home with voters. why do you think is more resonant than things like the ongoing russia investigation, russia scandal, which also has its own kind of corruption aspect, right? when you think about whether people are doing things nor the right reasons or wrong reasons, which is a big part of corruption. but why do you think this more than that, or stormy daniels or other things? >> i think russia is complicated. i think stormy daniels is a case where i think people probably knew that he was not the most faithful husband. >> that's fair. >> but that was never really part of what he was selling. you know, his racism and his sexism i think are also baked into the cake. and i think the people who voted for him were mostly okay wit. maybe some of them liked it. some of them didn't like it but were willing to tolerate it. but they all knew about it. i think what they didn't know is that he as president he would not release his tax returns. he would continue to get rich.
and the people around him would continue to get rich in office. and they would pass a bunch of policies to help them get even richer. none of those things are what he was promising during the campaign. i think that's what gives it the power. >> this is the biggest gap between what was promised and what was delivered. all this drain the swamp stuff. but so much of the campaign was basically the clintons were enmeshed by this this sort of corrupt crony network of self-dealing which is just remark to believe look back at as you look at what they're doing now. >> yeah. and trump gave speeches during the campaign promising reforms to clean up the swamp. it wasn't just a slogan. he had specific reforms. one of them, among several, was that no one would be able to go lobby for a foreign government after they left the government you. couldn't leave the white house and then go lobby for a foreign government. now you have people who are lobbying for foreign governments while they're in the trump administration. it's a million times worse. >> all right, jonathan chait, thanks for being with me. >> yeah, thanks. >> with me now bob bauer, former
white house counsel of barack obama and steve schmidt. bob, the thing that unites all that to me, just the amazon attacks this morning and the stuff we're talking about, mar-a-lago, is how unlawyered this whole universe seems to be to me. no one is ever checking with the lawyers. the president is not checking with the lawyers. is this okay? is it appropriate? does it, possess us to some sort of legal risk. >> i'm not sure it's not being checked with lawyers. i'm just not certain he is listening to what his lawyers have to say. they may have given up giving advice he is not going to heed. he has taken an understanding of his role and his relationship to lawyers out of one world he has known for five, six decades of adult life and he is bringing it into a world that does not apply. he is bringing a certain kind of business ethic that he has develop and it worked for him. he is transposing it into the white house. and he is obviously dealing with lawyers who have to either fend for that, fend with that or fight that off, probably unsuccessfully, or he is cherry picking the lawyers who will give him the answer he wants.
>> it's almost like a social psychology experiment because you can observe the way it has an effect on the way other people conduct themselves. it's not just that donald trump acts this way. it's the fish rotting from the head down. it seems like everyone in the administration is viewing it as essentially a kind of smash and grab. >> look, we're in unchartered territory here. i don't think that we really have pondered it as deeply as we need to, the level of corruption. this is unprecedented in the modern history of the country. you have general flynn on the inaugural platform, the national security counsel, 11 minutes into his speech is on a cell phone trying to do a nuclear deal with russian interests. >> i forgot that detail. >> you have jared kushner, the head of citi and apollo group coming into the west wing of the white house and loaning outside of their normal processes and outside of their normal loan arrangements. $500 million? this is the type of stuff that guess on in banana republics, not in a constitutional republic governed by the rule of law. we've seen a total collapse of oversight on the part of the
republican majority in the house and senate. everywhere you look in this cabinet, you see malfeasance, you see corruption. big corruption, little corruption, petty criminals next to the major grifters and the real criminals in all of this. and i think that when we look back on this era ten years from now, we will see fundamental changes to so many aspects of campaign finance reform to disclosure so this can never, ever happen again. but this season of corruption that we're in the middle of is real. it's not normal. it's completely unprecedented, and it's getting worse. >> you know, it reminds what you said, reminds me of what happens post watergate. what happens is watergate is a very specific set of crimes that are committed.
but then there is this incredible push for we basically inaugurate modern campaign finance, all these ethics reforms precisely to change the rules so that things that may not have been outside the rules now will be outside the rules. >> yes, that could definitely happen. but i do want to disagree with one of jonathan chait's premise. >> please. >> and you sort of touched on. this i don't agree this is going to wind up being more important than the russia investigation. i think as you pointed out, the russia investigation, the if it establishes what many people are concerned that it might is going to uncover a form of corruption after all that is dealing with a foreign power for personal political gain and putting the country's security at risk and undermining our democratic institutions. and i don't think that's going to go over terribly well if indeed that's the case that bob mueller makes. >> that's a great point. and it also is part of a broader scenario, right? we talk about russia. but to your point, right, we know that flynn was an unregistered foreign agent of turkey. we have credible accounts that the kushner family tried to get
a loan from the qataris, and then when they were turned down for said loan, it's possible that jared kushner advised the u.s. government to essentially apply the force of the american state against the qataris as a kind of punishment. this is like -- this is corruption not just sort of, you know, i'm on getting a condo deal. this is losing sight of what american interests are on behalf of whoever is paying your paycheck. >> yeah. people will die because of it. >> 100%. it's corruption on an epic scale. and the scenario you just outlined with the qataris and jared kushner seems highly likely circumstantially in fact that that's exactly what happened. what we do know for sure as we sit here and we see all of these revelations over the course of the last year and a half, we know more than we used to. but we don't know very much compared to what robert mueller knows. and so the notion that the russia story, the interference, the active meshers in the election process are somehow unrelated. they're inexorably tied to this rotten administration and the corruption that you see everywhere. you look at the epa administrator running around with a 30-person security
detail, which i suspect is larger than former president obama's and bush's. but by any clinical definition of the word, scott pruitt is corrupt. this before now would not have been tolerated in this country by a member of either a republican or a democratic administration. it's corruption. >> just on that point, scott pruitt, "the new york times" sort of running down what business was before the epa from the couple that was renting him the $50 a night condo that he didn't have to pay for the night he was there, which nice perk. and it turns out the epa approved a lot of their projects. you don't know if there is a quid pro quo, but that's precisely the reason you don't have this setup. >> if you have the president organizing his business interests the way he did, you had that in the opening. the flagrant way he has maintained the total lack of transparency into how he is running those businesses, then of course he sends a signal out to the rest of the
administration that the deep state a available to have its pockets picked. >> right. bob bauer and steve schmidt, its great to have you both here in new york city. come by any time. next, roger stone claims he was just joking when he wrote an e-mail during the campaign saying he met with wikileaks founder julian assange. robert mueller has some new questions about this. details on the mueller probe in a few minutes. and with godaddy, i've made my ideas real. ♪ ♪ i made my own way, now it's time to make yours. ♪ ♪ everything is working, working, just like it should ♪
i actually have communicated with assange. >> no, i have not spoken to mr. assange. i have not met with mr. assange. and i never said i had. >> roger stone has frequently claimed some kind of contact with wikileaks or assange only to backpedal under scrutiny and deny, deny, deny. and now the mueller probe is investigating. the "wall street journal" reporting today the special counsel is looking at a roger stone e-mail from 2016 claiming he had dinner with wikileaks founder julian assange. stone told the journal the e-mail to former sam nunberg was a joke which is absolutely hilarious because he claimed to use the same joke to nunberg on the phone as well. >> got him off the phone when he said do you have plans for the
weekend? i said yeah, i think i'll fly to london and have dinner with julian assange. it was a joke. >> and he is wearing the beret in the fictional dinner. natasha bertrand of the atlantic. this has now been a repeat shtick of roger stone. i met with julian assange, no, i haven't. it's a joke. >> it's huge. if he was writing in an e-mail to sam nunberg who was are a very close friend of his in august 2016 that he had dinner with julian assange on august 3rd, that no one knows where he was on the 3rd. he says he was in l.a. he sent to "the wall street journal" but the screen shot said roger and delta wouldn't confirm he was tilly on the flight. >> you don't book your flights with just a first name? >> it's not a products that i adhere. to but on august 8th, then, five days later, he see him speaking, kind of bragging to this group of florida republicans about having communicated with julian assange.
in the span of about five or six day, he has presumably had dinner with julian assange. whether or not he actually flew to the embassy, or maybe it was some kind of skype date, i really don't know. but he indicated for all intents and purposes that he had been in touch with assange. of course this was when assange had already begun teeing some kind of october surprise. >> just to put that timeline back up, i dined with julian assange last week. then he tweets the next day and three days later that quote there, i actually have communicated with assange. and it's two weeks later, trust me, it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel. it does seem -- he keeps saying oh, i have this back channel to wikileaks. oh, no, i don't. i think fundamentally we have to imagine this is something mueller is interested why? >> this would show there is some kind of coordination between the trump campaign and wikileaks and
the trump campaign therefore and russia. because, of course, we have -- "the washington post" has a source that said roger stone actually knew as early as the spring of 2016 that wikileaks had these e-mails, that they had the john podesta e-mail, and they had the hacked dnc e-mails. whether or not wikileaks knew who their source was, whether or not they got it from russia and whether or not they told roger stone the source was russian, that we don't know. but that's something that mueller wants to get to the bottom of is how much did roger stone know as early as the spring of 2016, and did he tell trump or anyone on the campaign about it. >> what i find fascinating about this, you go back to that trump tower meeting, right? and that was a reveal. we didn't know about it. you think oh my goodness, did they do something there. when you look at the slow motion of roger stone coming from here and julian assange coming from here and the possibility of them communicating, it almost in a
weird way kind of happened nearly out in the open. and it seems like that could be the bridge maybe in the end that we all sort of saw happen in realtime. >> it really fits. and of course roger stone was never shy about this. he said that julian assange was his hero. and of course his defense is that he believes that assange is not a russian agent, he is actually a journalist. >> right. >> he believes that that exonerates him from any wrongdoing. but of course julian assange had obtained e-mails that were stolen by russia. in the trump campaign, donald trump himself was briefed by intelligence agencies in august about the fact that these e-mails came what were bhakd the russians and wikileaks was essentially an arm of the russian government at that point. >> so you follow this stuff incredibly closely. you report on it day in and day out. i want to get your reaction to this one weird story which is george papadopoulos shows up with his fiancee at a chicago nightclub called hydrate, which is always good advice. and a guy sidles up to him and recognizes him. and they have a conversation, which papadopoulos tells this dude, who is at the nightclub with him, that sessions was encouraging him the whole time when the russians were dangling the hacked e-mail. >> it's interesting because reuters has reported there were three witnesses who were at that meeting with sessions and
papadopoulos that said no, sessions actually did not push back when papadopoulos suggested a meeting between trump and russian representatives. then again, it is very, very difficult to believe that papadopoulos would have run his mouth to a complete stranger at a bar. i mean, there is the london meeting of course as kind of a precedent to that. but that was with an australian diplomat. >> i just want to be clear that this entire investigation gets started because papadopoulos runs his mouth to an australian diplomat who ends up learning american intelligence. >> it would be really stupid of him, that's all i'll say to run his mouth about this to stranger in a bar. his wife was adamant about this being a complete lie. we'll have to see where that goes. >> natasha bertrand, thank you very much. >> thanks, chris. next, thousands of teachers refused to enter their classrooms today instead mass protests across kentucky and oklahoma. those remarkable scenes, right after this. at the marine mammal center, the environment is everything.
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every public school in kentucky was closed today as teachers marched on the state capitol to protest proposed pension cuts. and this, this was the scene at the state capitol in oklahoma where thousands of teachers and students and their allies demonstrated today for more school funding and for better pay. inspired by the successful strike last month in west virginia, teachers in red states are organizing themselves in social media, walking off the job to protest what they say are poor conditions in the classrooms, where textbooks are falling apart, and wages, that according to one teacher forced her to go to a food pantry just to get by. >> when i drove in to park, i drove past my own students at the after school program on their playground. and they waved all smiling at
me. and i thought i can't -- i'm so embarrassed. i'm so embarrassed. i should not have to do this. have i two degrees. i vu student loans and bachelors degrees and 14 years' experience. i should not have to come ask for food. >> national correspondent for "the new york times," author of "the teacher wars: the history of america's most embattled profession" which is a fact book. pedro nogueira for schools at ucla, and dave jamison is a labor reporter for huff po. and dave, you have been covering these strikes, talking to teachers. what is going on? >> well, you know, this is really about a lack of investment in public schools from the teachers' standpoint. in a lot of the states, the math is actually pretty simple. everybody had to rein in school spending during the great recession. but in the states where we're now seeing these revolts, you look at west virginia, oklahoma, arizona, these are states that actually during our recovery went on to cut taxes as well. so you've had this falling
revenue, and now there is no money to give teachers. and you have educators who have gone four years, six years, ten years without a meaningful raise. and they're pretty tired of it. the pay is just one part of it. you talk to these folks, the first thing they bring up is how their textbooks are falling apart, how they can't keep teachers in their schools, how teachers are leaving for other states that pay better. and they really see it as a crisis. >> the austerity, dina, is so severe. this stat blows my mind. 20% of oklahoma schools have four-day weeks. forget labor conditions and whether teachers are being paid that is just not sufficient to educate a populace. >> right. it is shocking. and imagine the bind that puts parents in to find child care on that fifth day of the week. it is a truly radical situation because of the austerity budgeting there is no textbooks. i visited schools in tulsa that
are rationing paper for teachers and students. this is something that parents and kids are feeling. it's not just about the teachers a salary. >> do you get the sense there was -- one of the things we saw in west virginia which was really interesting was west virginia is a state that has a very storied labor history. but also a very conservative state. you saw a lot of support for the teachers there from students and parents. did you get the same sense when you were in oklahoma? >> so this walkout will not work without parent and community support. i think what teachers are worried about in oklahoma is the legislature did vote last week and the governor signed a bill that would supposedly give them a $6,000 raise. and some folks are saying hey, isn't that enough for you? why you asking for more. teachers are saying we want more for the kids. we want more money for textbooks, to have the five-day school weeks so they're still on striefnlgt. >> seen as an extravagance. pedro, there is a huge conversation constantly about
teachers unions. it's been the center of the conversation. these states you've got the educational associations, but largely these are places that don't have collective bargaining where this is done as a grassroots organizing effort. >> i think that's what makes it so impressive. and it's likely that we'll see this happen in other states as well, because throughout the south and other right-to-work states, places like kansas, there have been cuts to education, and teachers have been barely scraping by. and i think they've seen from the success in west virginia that collective action does make a difference. even in the right so-called right-to-work states. >> this idea of austerity is really central here to what jamison -- david jamison was saying, dana, the idea that we're still living with the great recession, that stuff got cut to the bone, and then when the recovery comes back, the state houses get to choose what they're doing with that budget surplus. a lot of places still working off the 2010, 2011 template. >> oklahoma has a really
historically low income taxes. very low production taxes on oil and gas. they're beginning to say let's raise those production taxes a little bit. but it's still much lower than some other states with an energy sector. so yeah, this is a state that has really had a tax cut worth doxey. and now the republican teachers are saying hold on a second, maybe we went too far with. >> david, what are the politics of this like? these are states where public teachers are in these states, i don't know if you polled them, but are probably maybe a majority of republicans? certainly something like 50-50. a lot of trump voters. this is not like a bastion of lefty activism. what are the politics around this like? >> it's very interesting. as you said, it is definitely a mix. i've talked to people who stand on both sides of the aisle when they vote here. but i think there is a broad agreement that the funding has been really lacking. and there is tremendous anger directed at, and these states we're generally talking republican-controlled. each branch of government here. so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in november. talking with teachers in west virginia, i talked to some who really until now had never been
politically active. and they were saying afterwards after their victory, they're saying we're really going to hold people's feet to if fire come november. you look at arizona where there is going to be an open senate seat. i think there really could be broad political ramifications from this. >> do you agree with that, pedro? >> i do, i do. i think that teachers as an organized force, their ability to influence politics at the state level, at the local level is going to be very significant in the next election. and as we said, we've seen these cuts, but we've also seen attacks on teachers. for the last several years in the name of reform, teachers and unions have been blamed for the state of public education. and what we've completely ignored is that the conditions in our schools have been allowed to deteriorate, and we put our kids in very substandard conditions. and teachers are speaking out than as well. it's ironic at a time when they want to arm teachers, they don't want to pay them salaries that
they are clearly deserving of. >> there is a really interesting gender dynamic here. it's something you write about in "teacher wars" which is a phenomenal book about the gender nature of the labor teaching for years. when you look at the pictures, think about the sort of core political resistance in this era and a lot of political activation, it is a lot of women who are sort of driving this political militancy we've seen. >> yeah, this profession is three quarters female. as i talk to teachers across the country who are participating in these protests, they say they are inspired by me too. they're inspired by black lives matter. they're inspired by all sorts of resistance movements that have really sprung up since president trump was elected. you know, we pay teachers so little historically because we assume they have a spouse that makes more money. but when i'm talking to teamers in oklahoma, that's not true. someone's teacher might be a house painter, a firefighter. they're not making a ton more money than a teacher or they may be making less. so the teacher's wage should be a living wage. it needs to be a living wage.
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good news and bad news today for the residents of mayflower, arkansas. >> that was april 1, 2013, the debut edition of "all in with chris hayes" on msnbc. tonight five years, one day, maybe a few pounds later, frankly, no one is more surprised than i am that we're still here. that i'm still here talking to you through these camera. it has been quite a ride. one that has taken us all across the country, reporting from no less than 28 states.
we brought you the site of the biggest breaking news stories from ferguson to baltimore to paris, france. the show won an emmy award and has been nominated five times. our back to baltimore special was selected as a peabody award finalist. and then we've done a bunch of stuff that really should have won awards, like the time the new "star wars" trailer came out and we watched it mystery science theater 3,000 style, our or hard-hitting series bizarro congress hosted by me in a fake mustache. we had a fourth of july cookout show on the roof of 30 rock. and the "all in" fantasy draft which predicted exactly nothing about this current state of our government. it's fair the say the show has evolved a bit since we launched into a period in 2013 when frankly interest in news and national politics had absolutely nose-dived. barack obama had just been reelected. washington was deadlocked and stagnant. and the national politics were frankly kind of dull. everything has changed in the last five years, except us. we're still here, and that is
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fake news and the script supplied by the largest owner operator of tv stations in the country. 22 are nbc affiliates and sinclair is in a deal to land them more stations landing more than 70% of households. they have a strongly conservative editorial line and the campaign struck a deal for better coverage which helps explain why the president defended sinclair while attacking amazon and jeff bazos owns "the washington post." author of "the list" a week by week reckoning and political science fellow. you got two tweets from the president today, attacking amazon because of "the washington post" and he says #amazon washington post very clear and you got him praising sinclair. i can go two ways like president's political figures always praise media they like or there is something really creepy about this.
which camp? >> he's extreme since week one of my list since he's been attacking the new york times and snl and cast of hamilton. he has a pattern of silening descent and we seen the landscape change. time inc is owned by the koch brothers and he's trying to get back at cnn and rupert murdoch wants to buy them and conservatives in new york and l.a. to shut it down. pretty quickly in the weeks i've been tracking him, he's trying to silence the voices that are left. >> does the silence give him more oxygen? >> the president has a track record of complaining. i don't think he has a track record of silencing. it's great time for the new york times with subscribership up and viewership up on this network
and many other networks. the president complains, the question is what is he doing policy-wise that is different than we've seen in the past? the fcc changes regarding sinclair look similar to the bush administration and people have differing opinions about the way broadcast television should be regulated but i look at sinclair and american households and nbc news reaches 80% and this reaches 75% of american households. there is a zone for reasonable disagreement rather than that being conspiracy and the att timewarner merger, you mostly hear from the left why the market power created when you let companies be cable wires be the same, you have to look on a case by case basis. >> this is incredibly dangerous for our democracy. it is. we also know this is the most emotional president we have ever seen so a lot of these decisions
are based on personal reasons. these are substantive reasons he thinks this is a long-term viable solution for american democracy. he fundamentally doesn't care. when we read the first amendment, we know we should have a free media and the fact this president consistently tweets about people he likes versus doesn't like, ultimately it does go into policy and he does change the narrative and us going forward or lack thereof. >> to josh's point, i thought today with the amazon stuff was a speech act. him tweeting was the action. that does, that is intimidation. it frankly is. we will come at you, we are going to come at you, we don't like what your newspaper does. you don't have to do anything, they don't have to have any policy thingsreinstate the sales
tax. that is intimidation, i think, frankly. >> it definitely is. look at the stock market. i might be a blip but the president knows his words or tweets can move the stock market. he knows pretty soon he'll be able to move ships with random tweets about iran and forth korea. also, no, he doesn't like bazos because of the washington post but he's a fragile man. this is a long-standing beat. >> he's been going after companies basically people have been shorting stock ahead of him attacking companies. that's well-known. the at&t merger is really unusual and actually at&t going after the doj and accusing trump of being, having his hands in it is really unusual as is, you know, he is literally now, you know, any bit of descent against him he does try to silence.
there are voices speaking up but it's a shrinking pool. we have to remember time -- >> is it a shrinking pool? >> it is a shrinking pool. >> no. >> his gothamness is gone. his d.a. info is gone. those are bought by consecond -- conservative networks and shut down. shut down. >> the idea that you can't hear people objecting to and complaining about donald trump is ludicrous. look at the media environment, it's extremely robust and you see people in the streets -- >> i disagree about extremely robust. >> at the national level it's extremely robust. there is issues -- >> most of the people get news from local media. >> whether we see the local media being agents of propaganda and the vast majority of americans -- >> this is highly problematic. >> when the reason that people are bothered by sinclair is they don't like the content on the sinclair stations and then you have a national policy that's
aimed at addressing that, that's a content-based policy. >> here is my thing about sinclair. i find this sort of crypt creeping. we're a conservative broadcaster. there is something to me bad faith and disingenuous about that a, and b, it's the lack of branding. i'm watching como news or madison and this is this remote person with an agenda saying you have to run this piece. you have to run this commentary that is fund mentally has a disingenuous to it. >> that's not going to work in the long run. people are on to it. >> that's the question. >> which is it's very low quality. it's very low quality like boris epstein -- >> they are acting like crazy. >> it's past from the 1970s he turned it over.
that's the first thing the chair did is take back a lot from the 1970s capped ownership so sinclair could expand to 72%. the second thing is repeal net neutrality. if you don't think there is an effort to silence descent, you're not following the news. >> to josh's point, those caps are a long-standing conservative agenda and colin powell's son basically did the same thing. it's a little hard sometimes to disintangle he's acting like authoritarian trying to quash debate from yes, republicans and conservatives believe in media concentration. >> this is different because this president never had a board of advisors and never answered to anyone and he doesn't think he has to answer to the american public. that's why it's different. the fact people don't know this
is a long-handed agenda coming into their living rooms where you think it's their local friend saying these things and it's part of a much larger, deeper and this is -- >> that i totally agree with. >> this is a much deeper agenda to make the country think a different way. that's the most damaging thing they did is to call into question truths and facts from people that deliver the news. >> i think the most damaging thing for sinclair is this thing where the idea that somebody in maryland is telling your local news anchor what to say. if i was running a competing station and they can own two of the top four, i would say our station is local, that station is being run by some guy in maryland -- >> this week -- >> i don't think -- i don't think people necessarily know which of the affiliates -- >> they don't. people don't know. >> i will say one -- >> for an entire year. >> one of the affiliates in madison is not running it and they sort of made this big stand today. the question whether those are functioning competitive markets